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Information I found while researching pre-tetanic eclampsia:

Eclampsia - Pre-Tetanic Eclampsia
(Calcium Deficiency)

Encyclopedia of Canine Veterinary Medical Information

Aggression toward Newborn Puppies

NOTE: Consult your veterinarian prior to ANY treatment!

The "condition" is most appropriately called "pre-tetanic eclampsia". Most breeders are familiar with eclampsia, which is a calcium deficiency which occurs in nursing bitches and is very serious. This pre-tetanic form occurs prior to / during / just after whelping. The symptoms can include lazy whelping and inertia, agitation of the bitch, growling and aggression toward pups, all in varying degrees. The treatment is "Calphosan" (calcium) given sub-Q every 3-4 hours for 2-3 days usually (dosage for a 75 lb. bitch would be 1 1/4 CC each time). In those recent cases that I have heard of, that received this treatment, the bitches settled down and cared for their pups within a day!

I have experienced this in the past with a bitch who exhibited all these symptoms (except for whelping problems although she did slow down a lot at the end) and it was awful! She had to be kept seperate from her pups until they were several days old. She acted like she wanted to care for them but was very agitated and would hurt the pups if given a chance. There was NO advice given to me that helped so I had to wing it and keep the pups safe. My bitch did settle down and turned out to be an attentive excellent mother that adored her pups! But we always went through what I called "hell week" first. In hindsight, I wonder if her tendency to not eat well during pregnancy, combined with her body chemistry, caused this. She then would start to eat well about 2-3 days after whelping and so maybe ingested enough calcium to "level" things out? (I am guessing here and she is gone now.)

It seems that this condition is almost unknown to the average veterinarian. It also seems (sadly) that many are un-willing to learn about it even when it is a possible problem in one of their patients. My own vet (and the one also used by the breeder friend that learned about this from the terrier breeder/vet) has been most open to learning about this, but tells me it is almost impossible to find published information. Another friend in a different part of the country recently contacted me, describing this condition in her whelping bitch. I forwarded her this information and told her to call her vet. Long story, but I believe THREE vets basically refused to LEARN anything new, a puppy was ultimately killed, and a lot of extra work and stress went into raising that litter and keeping the rest of the pups safe!

From what I have learned the last year or so and seen in the last 15 years, I believe this is a little-known medical condition that is fairly prevalent in our breed, maybe in many breeds. Certainly there will be cases of bitch aggression that is not related to this condition. And again, I am not a vet. I have asked the breeder that first told me about this to ask the "knowledgeable" vet to write an article for the ACC Bulletin as I believe this is an important subject for us to know about. He has promised to do this and hopefully I can get it published. It would help to hear from others that have experienced similar problems. I think many do not want to talk about this, not knowing what it is, for fear their bitch will be labeled an aggressive mother! But maybe this is the first step toward knowledge that saves others from the horrible experience some breeders go through and ends the trauma that these poor bitches are being subjected to.

Diane Mazy

 


 
 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Whelping Reply with quote

My English Pointer finally started having pups today. The vet checked her and all was well. Started having the pups at his house.

She has had three pups so far, has been doing fairly well with the whelping with my assistance. She is cleaning up fairly well for herself and has licked the pups a few times.

However, she snapped at one of the pups a little while ago. Didnt hurt him but scared me. She is a new first time mom, and an older mom. She doesnt seem to be taking to her pups like most moms do.

I have already gotten the three pups born so far to be able to get some milk from her. All are healthy and I want to make sure she doesnt do anything to them.

I have a muzzle on site in case I need it but I want her to be able to clean up her pups. I also have another mom who had pups yesterday on site.

What do all of you recommend. I am not a real experienced problem solving whelper. Most of my dogs have been naturals. What are the chances of the other mom accepting another dogs pups?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some times a bitch does not want to be bothered by the new borns while she is still welping. Keep a very close eye on her and settle her down and put the pups in position to nurse. She may be scared of the pups,but should come around when her maternal instincts kick in. Those pups need the colostrum she has in her milk to get needed antibodies.
I had one female when she had her first litter did the same and refused to nurse,i forced her to lay down and let the pups nurse holding her all the time. The other thing you must do is to get the pups to go to the bathroom,do this by rubbing their rear and genatils with a warm cloth. Good luck
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice. She is now through with the whelping, has calmed down some. Still growled at a pup a little while ago and we had a "Come to Jesus" meeting. She has laid down and they are sucking. Still not sure whether she will accept them without the muzzle on. I have it on to insure no killing.

Surely some more of you have had experiences like this. This is a valuable bitch to me, was a Region Puppy of the Year and retired Field Trial bitch. These pups could be future CHs. All help is appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't leave her alone with the pups and call your vet to see if he can give her a calcium shot. Bitches can get a calcium deficiency that makes them aggressive to their pups. I just went through this with a 2nd time mother, she never snapped at the pups but she started growling at them when they were about 4 days and within 24 hrs. of calcium supplementation she calmed right down--they are 3.5 weeks and no problems or growling since then. What I was told is this is more common immediately after whelping. If you can get her calcium levels corrected she will usually calm down within 24 hours. Hope this helps--I'm not a vet, but an experienced repro. vet will have heard of this. Meanwhile give her about a cup of cottage cheese (this also helps bind them after eating all that afterbirth) and give her a tums if you have one, if you can't get to a vet tonight.

Several very experienced breeders had experience with aggressive bitches that calmed down once the calcium levels were fixed, was how I heard about it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Info on Aggression toward Newborn Puppies
NOTE: Consult your veterinarian prior to ANY treatment!

"The "condition" is most appropriately called "pre-tetanic eclampsia". Most breeders are familiar with eclampsia, which is a calcium deficiency which occurs in nursing bitches and is very serious. This pre-tetanic form occurs prior to / during / just after whelping. The symptoms can include lazy whelping and inertia, agitation of the bitch, growling and aggression toward pups, all in varying degrees. The treatment is "Calphosan" (calcium) given sub-Q every 3-4 hours for 2-3 days usually (dosage for a 75 lb. bitch would be 1 1/4 CC each time). In those recent cases that I have heard of, that received this treatment, the bitches settled down and cared for their pups within a day!"
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same advise from here. We have had that experience a couple of times. The first time we gave the girl a calcium shot then followed up with 8 Pet-Cals a day split up. The next time we just gave the Pet-Cals. Within 24 hours everything was A OK.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In agreement with th above posts,just make sure she is able to clean the pups and make them urinate and deficate with the muzzle on,or you will need to do it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto on calcium injection... Wish more people knew that... Consult with your vet, but it's normally 3-4 cc's every twelve hours for a couple of days for the average lab bitch.

Like others said, don't leave her alone with the pups, make sure you supervise all activity. Muzzle her if you must. MAKE SURE THEY GET MILK NOW (colostrum) -- not sure if anyone mentioned that (too lazy to look, sorry!). I had a bitch that did this and 48 hours later she was just fine, although I was always a little nervous.

Also, remove any extra stuff from the whelping box. Our bitch was carrying toys in there like they were her puppies and when her actually puppies would approach the toys, that seemed to trigger it to some extent. Not sure if your bitch is doing any of this. Good luck, Peggy!

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