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Information I found while researching pre-tetanic eclampsia:
Aggression toward Newborn Puppies
NOTE: Consult your veterinarian prior to ANY
treatment!
The "condition" is most appropriately called
"pre-tetanic eclampsia". Most breeders are familiar with
eclampsia, which is a calcium deficiency which occurs in nursing
bitches and is very serious. This pre-tetanic form occurs prior
to / during / just after whelping. The symptoms can include lazy
whelping and inertia, agitation of the bitch, growling and
aggression toward pups, all in varying degrees. The treatment is
"Calphosan" (calcium) given sub-Q every 3-4 hours for 2-3 days
usually (dosage for a 75 lb. bitch would be 1 1/4 CC each time).
In those recent cases that I have heard of, that received this
treatment, the bitches settled down and cared for their pups
within a day!
I have experienced this in the past with a bitch
who exhibited all these symptoms (except for whelping problems
although she did slow down a lot at the end) and it was awful!
She had to be kept seperate from her pups until they were
several days old. She acted like she wanted to care for them but
was very agitated and would hurt the pups if given a chance.
There was NO advice given to me that helped so I had to wing it
and keep the pups safe. My bitch did settle down and turned out
to be an attentive excellent mother that adored her pups! But we
always went through what I called "hell week" first. In
hindsight, I wonder if her tendency to not eat well during
pregnancy, combined with her body chemistry, caused this. She
then would start to eat well about 2-3 days after whelping and
so maybe ingested enough calcium to "level" things out? (I am
guessing here and she is gone now.)
It seems that this condition is almost unknown
to the average veterinarian. It also seems (sadly) that many are
un-willing to learn about it even when it is a possible problem
in one of their patients. My own vet (and the one also used by
the breeder friend that learned about this from the terrier
breeder/vet) has been most open to learning about this, but
tells me it is almost impossible to find published information.
Another friend in a different part of the country recently
contacted me, describing this condition in her whelping bitch. I
forwarded her this information and told her to call her vet.
Long story, but I believe THREE vets basically refused to LEARN
anything new, a puppy was ultimately killed, and a lot of extra
work and stress went into raising that litter and keeping the
rest of the pups safe!
From what I have learned the last year or so and seen in the
last 15 years, I believe this is a little-known medical
condition that is fairly prevalent in our breed, maybe in many
breeds. Certainly there will be cases of bitch aggression that
is not related to this condition. And again, I am not a vet. I
have asked the breeder that first told me about this to ask the
"knowledgeable" vet to write an article for the ACC Bulletin as
I believe this is an important subject for us to know about. He
has promised to do this and hopefully I can get it published. It
would help to hear from others that have experienced similar
problems. I think many do not want to talk about this, not
knowing what it is, for fear their bitch will be labeled an
aggressive mother! But maybe this is the first step toward
knowledge that saves others from the horrible experience some
breeders go through and ends the trauma that these poor bitches
are being subjected to.
Diane Mazy
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Singleshot
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My English Pointer finally
started having pups today. The vet checked her and all
was well. Started having the pups at his house.
She has had three pups so far, has been doing fairly
well with the whelping with my assistance. She is
cleaning up fairly well for herself and has licked the
pups a few times.
However, she snapped at one of the pups a little while
ago. Didnt hurt him but scared me. She is a new first
time mom, and an older mom. She doesnt seem to be taking
to her pups like most moms do.
I have already gotten the three pups born so far to be
able to get some milk from her. All are healthy and I
want to make sure she doesnt do anything to them.
I have a muzzle on site in case I need it but I want her
to be able to clean up her pups. I also have another mom
who had pups yesterday on site.
What do all of you recommend. I am not a real
experienced problem solving whelper. Most of my dogs
have been naturals. What are the chances of the other
mom accepting another dogs pups?
GIVE ME ADVICE QUICK>
Thanks
ADAM
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Lil Dikens Kennels
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:31 pm
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Some times a bitch does not want
to be bothered by the new borns while she is still
welping. Keep a very close eye on her and settle her
down and put the pups in position to nurse. She may be
scared of the pups,but should come around when her
maternal instincts kick in. Those pups need the
colostrum she has in her milk to get needed antibodies.
I had one female when she had her first litter did the
same and refused to nurse,i forced her to lay down and
let the pups nurse holding her all the time. The other
thing you must do is to get the pups to go to the
bathroom,do this by rubbing their rear and genatils with
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Singleshot
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Location: Georgia
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Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:09 pm
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Thanks for the advice. She is now
through with the whelping, has calmed down some. Still
growled at a pup a little while ago and we had a "Come
to Jesus" meeting. She has laid down and they are
sucking. Still not sure whether she will accept them
without the muzzle on. I have it on to insure no
killing.
Surely some more of you have had experiences like this.
This is a valuable bitch to me, was a Region Puppy of
the Year and retired Field Trial bitch. These pups could
be future CHs. All help is appreciated.
ADAM
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Julie R.
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Don't leave her alone with the
pups and call your vet to see if he can give her a
calcium shot. Bitches can get a calcium deficiency that
makes them aggressive to their pups. I just went through
this with a 2nd time mother, she never snapped at the
pups but she started growling at them when they were
about 4 days and within 24 hrs. of calcium
supplementation she calmed right down--they are 3.5
weeks and no problems or growling since then. What I was
told is this is more common immediately after whelping.
If you can get her calcium levels corrected she will
usually calm down within 24 hours. Hope this helps--I'm
not a vet, but an experienced repro. vet will have heard
of this. Meanwhile give her about a cup of cottage
cheese (this also helps bind them after eating all that
afterbirth) and give her a tums if you have one, if you
can't get to a vet tonight.
Several very experienced breeders had experience with
aggressive bitches that calmed down once the calcium
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frontier
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More Info on Aggression toward
Newborn Puppies
NOTE: Consult your veterinarian prior to ANY treatment!
"The "condition" is most appropriately called "pre-tetanic
eclampsia". Most breeders are familiar with eclampsia,
which is a calcium deficiency which occurs in nursing
bitches and is very serious. This pre-tetanic form
occurs prior to / during / just after whelping. The
symptoms can include lazy whelping and inertia,
agitation of the bitch, growling and aggression toward
pups, all in varying degrees. The treatment is "Calphosan"
(calcium) given sub-Q every 3-4 hours for 2-3 days
usually (dosage for a 75 lb. bitch would be 1 1/4 CC
each time). In those recent cases that I have heard of,
that received this treatment, the bitches settled down
and cared for their pups within a day!"
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lrlabs
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Same advise from here. We have
had that experience a couple of times. The first time we
gave the girl a calcium shot then followed up with 8
Pet-Cals a day split up. The next time we just gave the
Pet-Cals. Within 24 hours everything was A OK.
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Lil Dikens Kennels
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In agreement with th above
posts,just make sure she is able to clean the pups and
make them urinate and deficate with the muzzle on,or you
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Kristie Wilder
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Ditto on calcium injection...
Wish more people knew that... Consult with your vet, but
it's normally 3-4 cc's every twelve hours for a couple
of days for the average lab bitch.
Like others said, don't leave her alone with the pups,
make sure you supervise all activity. Muzzle her if you
must. MAKE SURE THEY GET MILK NOW (colostrum) -- not
sure if anyone mentioned that (too lazy to look,
sorry!). I had a bitch that did this and 48 hours later
she was just fine, although I was always a little
nervous.
Also, remove any extra stuff from the whelping box. Our
bitch was carrying toys in there like they were her
puppies and when her actually puppies would approach the
toys, that seemed to trigger it to some extent. Not sure
if your bitch is doing any of this. Good luck, Peggy!
-Kristie
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